Would You Advise Your Son to Join the Military?

Yesterday was Memorial Day, a time to remember those brave men who have given their lives in service to their country. As I was reflecting on the day, I was thinking about how far our military has come in the past few decades—which I don’t mean in a good way. First the door was opened to women. Then, more recently, open homosexuals. These factors alone would make me hesitate to advise a Christian young man to volunteer, but they’re by no means the only ones. There’s also the fact that our soldiers do not enjoy the same 1st Amendment rights we ordinary citizens do, like freedom of speech. We can speak our mind about any political issue we like, but they can’t. Men can’t express hesitations about sharing close quarters with women. Conservatives can’t criticize the President. Worst of all, forces have been set into motion that could have a chilling effect on Christians who want to share their faith with fellow service members.

It’s funny. If I had a son, and the only thing I had to worry about was that he could be gravely injured or killed in the line of duty, I would send him into the military with my blessing if that was where his heart lay. The Bible tells us not to fear those who can harm the body only. But the military is being managed by those who can destroy the soul. Even Christian young men who might join with hopes of being salt and light may now have that taken away from them, along with their other rights. And I haven’t even mentioned the foolish policies which are needlessly risking our soldiers’ lives, like forcing them to work with treacherous Muslim “allies” who have repeatedly stabbed our men in the back. On top of all that, I often wonder whether we have any clear plan of action in the places where we currently have a military presence. I firmly support just war. Nobody could ever in a million years accuse me of being a pacifist. Yet it seems that our strategy (especially when it comes to nation-building) often consists of pouring enormous resources into endeavors that aren’t yielding a proportional gain. Republicans and Democrats alike have to some extent suffered from the same illusion borne of wishful thinking. The result is that a lot of our soldiers are frustrated, because they get the sense (justifiably) that the government really doesn’t know what it’s doing with them.

It’s easy to see why a starry-eyed young Christian man might dream of joining the military. He’s seen all the black and white war movies. He’s valiant and chivalrous. He wants to be a hero. Every young man does. But it’s come to a sad point when I feel I would have to tell my son the truth—that he would be dealing with many more dangers and snares than just the snares of the enemy. We aren’t living in the 1940s. We’re living in 2013. A lot has changed in seventy years.

To those readers who have family currently serving in the military, I am grateful for their sacrifice and yours. My prayer is that every last one of them would return home safe and sound in mind, body and spirit. To those readers who do not have family serving but do have sons, what would you tell them if they expressed a desire to join the military today?

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41 thoughts on “Would You Advise Your Son to Join the Military?

  1. Dan

    You Miss are so ignorant…I don’t even know where to start. Talk about people being in the military have to worry bout working with gays and women and blah blah but guess what? You can be gay and work at Wal-Mart. Should Christians not work at Wal-Mart? While at work at Wal-Mart you can not openly talk against our President…While at work you can not share your faith. Should Christians not work at Wal-Mart? Be real. This is a sad article. My father served in the Special Forces for 21 years. He is now a Sunday School teacher, bus worker, and one of the recommended Christian advisors at our Church. I told him I want to join the Military and he couldn’t have been more proud. I swear in next week.

    1. Oh honey shut yo mouth. Seriously, please do try to think about what people are saying when they try to write thoughtfully, seeing your side, instead of just lashing out the way you have here. Now, allow me to dismember your comment, one piece at a time, in Christian love.

      You make a parallel between working at Wal-Mart and being in the military. I reply that you probably haven’t thought through what all is involved in working in the military. When they start forcing Wal-Mart employees to undress together, sleep together, and use the bathroom in front of each other, let me know.

      You point out that voicing one’s political beliefs and sharing one’s faith can also be frowned upon in a work environment. I reply that you make a good point. However, the benefits and necessities of having a day-job far outweigh these considerations when we’re talking about working at Wal-Mart. Moreover, the “political considerations” I was referring to extended beyond criticizing the President to articulating anti-feminist sentiments in practical situations. There was an actual case where a man was going to have to share extremely close quarters with women for an extended period of time and refused. He lost his job for that. But apparently, the part of your brain that would allow you to understand why he did that (and why he got fired) has been removed. We call it the “common sense” or “savvy” quadrant. As for sharing one’s faith, don’t you think it’s a little bit chilling that the military is trying to crack down on it in a life or death “work environment,” among people who are not merely co-workers but tightly bonded brothers who share everything else together? Let me know when they start sending Wal-Mart employees on combat missions. Once again, you are the one who can’t see these basic differences. You think maybe a Christian might feel a little more urgency about sharing his faith with his very closest friends, especially when those friends could be blown up at any time?

      You got a lot to learn boy, and not just about manners. But I am sincerely grateful for your father’s sacrifice, and I do sincerely hope that you make it home.

  2. John Situmbeko

    An interesting piece.
    I don’t know much about the battle field environment, but with the shootings and bombings, I imagine there is hardly time to practice sexual immorality. I also imagine that homosexuals and heterosexuals in a military camp do not have enough privacy to engage in sexual activity amongst themselves, and even if they have the privilege of privacy, the environment sure isn’t favourable for thinking or acting upon sexual desires, when there is the thought that at any moment one is likely to be blown up. If I had a son, I wouldn’t fear that he will experience moral dilapidation simply by being alongside homosexuals in the military, if anything he would be easily corrupted if he associates with such elsewhere.

    1. Actually John, sexual harassment/assault is a major problem, as mdef has pointed out. Half of the women have reported harassment, a quarter have been assaulted. Many men have been assaulted in their sleep. Sheer promiscuity is rampant as well. Women are getting pregnant in the military. As for privacy considerations, soldiers are often forced into very “tight” situations, e.g., being packed like sardines into transportation vehicles. I don’t have the link handy, but I read an article that went into pretty graphic detail about the complete lack of privacy he and his other men had from each other. At one point, all the men were told to strip their clothes off and burn them, because they were so filthy after riding for days in that vehicle. The men had to relieve themselves in front of each other into waste bags, sleep shoulder to shoulder… a scenario bad enough with heterosexual men, but throw women and homosexuals into the mix and you can see why we have these concerns.

    2. Lydia

      There’s definitely plenty of opportunity for sexual activity in the life of the military. During the _first_ Iraq war, which is taking us back about twenty years, there were many female “soldiers” getting pregnant in order to avoid being deployed overseas. The children were sometimes referred to as “Iraq war babies.” There have been pregnant female sailors on board war ships, even. So it isn’t just some kind of intensive course of life and training where everyone is living like ancient Spartans.

  3. Excuse me but has anyone been reading about how many rapes and sexual harassment, etc. (I’m sure both homosexual and heterosexual) are taking place in the military? Seems like there is plenty of time and opportunity here. I don’t know what I would say to my 18 year old grandson if he wanted to go into the military. I’m still thinking long and hard about that….will get back to ya.

  4. Dan

    I am thinking about your side of the conversation instead of just lashing out, but I take great offense to the fact that you would even question a Christian wanting to join the military to serve and protect his country. It may be because I experienced growing up in a Military/Christian home and having my father in a Spec Ops group he was only home for 3 of my first 15 b-days. So I along with my family have made the sacrifice so that you can even have the freedom to have this article. Someone has to do this job. You say leave it up to the non-Christians? And I’m sure all these facts you get about reported sexual harrassments being reported you get from the media. Also just because someone has been accused of it does not mean they lost the court battle and was actually charged and sentenced for it. Being in the military is so much bigger than just being worried of being accused of sexual harassment or being around homosexuals, or having freedom of speech. In fact, girls and guys do have different bathrooms and changing rooms. Here in America they have separate barracks. At war first of all women are not in the combat zone so no worries there and second at deployment bases they have separate bathrooms. Maybe they sleep in the same tents but when you thing tents I do not mean camping tents these are huge tents with beds all around. And do not question whether or not I know this because from all the info I’ve given you can tell I know these for fact first hand. Don’t believe all the hype around the media. Cause that’s all it is…people looking for a story. Just like “Hollywood” media its all the same.

    1. Lydia

      I suggest a book called _Women in the Military: Flirting with Disaster_. I think Brian Mitchell also knew about this from something other than “the media.” Oh, and they are now “allowing” women into all combat roles, so that’s changing even more in the “integrated” direction, so it will be even worse than what Mitchell describes.

      1. Dan

        Women are NOT allowed into combat roles. I promise you that. Like I said I was just at MEPS with at least 12 girls who were swearing in and not one girl was allowed into a combat job. So no they are not allowed in. And I guess on top of talking about girls being harassed blah blah blah maybe the article should read would you allow your daughter in the military. But guess what it is called “Would You Advise Your SON to join the military” Would I allow my daughter? No because of all the reasons brought up. Would I allow my son? Couldn’t be more proud if he did.

      2. I’m sorry Dan. See my comment below. You’re just _wrong_ about this. Look up “Leon Panetta” and “women in combat.” The official ban on women in combat has been _lifted_, and as I said, “combat” has been redefined to put women in essentially combat roles for _decades_. How else would we have ended up with wounded female veterans or female POWs?

        And men have been assaulted too. Plenty of them. I mentioned the stats on women in response to John’s question about the general likelihood of sexual activity, coerced or consensual, in the military.

  5. Dan

    AND all of these close quarters arguments you have only apply to those that are deployed. Do you know the percentage of the people in the military who are actually deployed into those situations? A very very very small percentage. And I do not mean who have never been deployed I mean have never been deployed into that knid of situation. I know of military guys and girls who get “deployed” and they live in a hotel room. My bro has never and will never be deployed because of the job he has in the military. So you want no Christians in the military because you have a very minute chance of being in those situations? Please think about that and then comment. Maybe I was a little harsh in my first comment because like I said growing up in a military home I know the sacrifices being made by these people. Many of which are Christians. But seriously, the military and what they represent is SOOOOO much bigger than homosexuals, having to be undressed next to other dudes, or having to sleep shoulder to shoulder with them, or whatever other complaint you have. These problems are occurring everywhere not just the military. Like I said don’t just believe the articles and the media.

    1. Dan, you really need to read the book Lydia recommended. If anything, the media has done a lousy job of raising awareness of these problems, because the military is the government’s pet social project, so it’s hard for the real facts to get out.

      One reason we’re going to have difficulty seeing eye to eye is because you’re already trying to make excuses for allowing women into the military at all. That reflects a poor understanding of the difference between the sexes. Women should not be warriors, bottom line. Moreover, you say they’re not in combat, but this reveals a lack of knowledge of how “combat” has been redefined over the years. The truth is that women have been getting killed, injured and captured in combat for quite some time now. And now Leon Panetta himself has removed even the pretense that women are not in combat. This is probably going to result in forcing women to register for the draft along with men, since there’s no longer any legal excuse. Are you comfortable with that? Never mind, you seem like a feminist anyway so don’t bother answering.

      Also, what do you mean by “these problems are occurring everywhere”? In regular day-jobs?

      1. Dan

        Yankeegirl we are talking about our SONS joining the military. I mean that is what YOU titled it didn’t you? And you are right, I disagree with women being in the military period. But my son joining? And ok you say they are getting injured and killed and stuff because that is done by a raid on their base. But while they are on that base they are not being sent out on missions where sleeping and using the restroom and so on are done in close quarters. That is my point.

      2. See my other comment. I was citing those stats on women specifically in reply to John, AND there have also been a _lot_ of cases with male victims. And like I’ve been trying to say, what do you _think_ “lifting the ban on women in combat” means? It means that men _and_ women are going to be thrown into _exactly_ those situations together. Moreover, I would argue that having women in the military puts our men at risk, so that’s another needless risk to our _sons’_ lives.

        I had another thought about witnessing. While it may be frowned upon to use job time for witnessing at a Wal-Mart, there’s nothing stopping an employee from chatting with friends over coffee break. In the military, you’re always clocked in. There’s no off-time, and you are always being watched. This chilling effect is also specifically targeting superior officers who have a heart for their men, under the argument that witnessing would be “coercive proselytizing” in that situation. Do you not see how terrifying this is?

      3. Dan

        I am not a feminist, but no I do not believe a woman can do what a man can do in battle. When did God send a woman into battle to fight for the men? And when I say it occurs everywhere I mean this, I went to a Christian college and girls were being harassed, and guys were around gays. At my church three girls were raped by a member. A kid I went to Christian high school with I came to find out he had a crush on me and was on our basketball team. I changed in front of him in the locker room. So should we not allow our kids to go to Christian School/College? Or Church? No it is DEF not in the same percentile but it does happen everywhere.

      4. Actually I am in favor of homeschooling, and I think Christians specifically should withdraw from public schools. Christian schools can be better, but sometimes they’re not. And yes, one does have to deal with these kinds of questions when it comes to sharing dorm rooms/apartments, which is why I oppose co-ed dorms, and I believe there should be segregation between heterosexuals and homosexuals. I think you answered your own question about church percentages being drastically lower.

  6. Dan

    Ok yankeegirl you say I am just flat out wrong about this…When I have volunteered myself to fight overseas and bullets are flying by and I see my friends killed, and all the other ugly things about war, I will be glad that we did it so that you can have the freedom to write stupid articles like this one. Being in the military is much bigger than “not joining” as a Christian. It’s about needing people who are willing to fight for this great country. Because most people are not willing to fight, they’d rather sit behind a desk and write about those who should and shouldn’t fight.

    1. I do admire the sacrifice you’ve made. But nothing in your first two sentences of this comment has answered the arguments I’ve made. I’m trying to get you to see what the government is doing to the military. I’m not against the idea of having a military, and I’m not against our soldiers! I feel pity for our soldiers because the government treats them like guinea pigs for social experimentation and sends them on wild goose chases with minimal returns. You are exactly the kind of person who needs this information. Your desire to join the military is healthy. Your desire to defend our country is noble. Your valor is inspiring. But you need to understand that this is a system run by the government, and that spells disaster on many, many fronts. This article wasn’t written to diss you, it was meant to diss the powers-that-be. You need the “wise as serpents” part to complement the “innocent as doves” part. Healthy cynicism can be a good thing. I dare you to read this article about the striking down of the ban and tell me this system is not run by idiots. Direct quote from here on, my emphasis added:

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      Despite the ban, some women have been serving in combat for more than a decade. Often, though, their service is not officially recognized, which can obstruct professional advancement or access to benefits. Active-duty female personnel make up roughly 15 percent — or 207,308 members — of the more than 1.4 million armed forces, according to the Department of Defense.

      Rep. Niki Tsongas (D-Mass.), a member of the House Armed Services Committee, called Panetta’s decision “welcome news.”

      “And coming so soon after the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, [it ] demonstrates another landmark victory for equality in our military,” Tsongas said in a statement to The Huffington Post. “The announcement Secretary Panetta is expected to make tomorrow will put us on a path to giving women the same access to the protections and benefits afforded the men they serve alongside. It will finally acknowledge the reality of the current nature of war, where the lines between combat and support personnel are not clearly drawn. And, most importantly, it will help us build a stronger armed forces.”

      Though the Defense Department opened 14,325 jobs to women in May, of the 1.2 million positions available throughout the military, some 237,854 — roughly 19 percent — remain closed to women. The decision to lift the combat exclusion policy moves the military far beyond earlier reforms, potentially opening hundreds of thousands of positions, including those in its most elite combat units.

      Panetta had directed the services to update him by November with an evaluation of the reforms and “an assessment of the remaining barriers to full implementation of a gender-neutral assignment policy,” a Defense spokeswoman said in November. Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen, a Defense spokesman, said on Tuesday that those evaluations had been provided to Panetta.

  7. Dan

    So what’s the percentage at? Once you hit 50 percent then its TOO wrong to be there? And I never said one thing about co-ed dorms. I never said anything about public schools. I never said anything about purposefully knowing this dude was gay. Not everyone is out of the closet. The fact is he was gay I changed in front of him. So should I not have been at a Christian college?

    1. I’m saying these are isolated, unpredictable cases. But in the military, it’s not isolated, and it’s not unpredictable. We have the stats, we know this is a massive problem, _because_ the system is broken.

  8. Dan

    There has been plenty of talk about “lifting the ban” but guess what it has not happened yet…women are not sent out on missions with guns ordered to kill people. When they are put into dangerous situations it is because they are raided on by the enemy. Until they are raided on, they are living in a place where they do have segregated bathrooms and everything.

    1. Okay, even assuming that’s true… do you see the risks that adding women to the equation poses for men in raid situations? Do you see the extra level of psychological agony in a POW situation, when the enemy picks the woman to torture so the men will break? Would you want your son to carry that with him through the rest of his life?

      1. Dan

        No I would not want him to have to carry that for the rest of his life. My Grandpa feared everyday my dad was out on secret missions. Feared my dad had seen things that he would wake him in the middle of the night. That he’d have to be around and sleep next to homosexuals(G-pa was extremely anti-gay lol) But my grandpa if he was still alive would tell you without a doubt he couldn’t be more proud of my dad. And my dad couldn’t be more of me and my brother being in the military. Many times when asked why men sacrifice and go to war or join the military the only answer they can give is “you wouldn’t understand” I’ll leave it at that.

    2. Lydia

      Since the time of Jimmy Carter the distinction between combat roles and support roles has been eroded. Again, Mitchell discusses all of this in his book, and the book is useful in some ways precisely because it was written well _before_ this recent intent to “send women into combat.” For example, Mitchell describes situations in the Middle East where women and men were together on long drives across the desert and where the men had to be ordered to stay in the vehicles while the women went to the bathroom by the side of the road. Not exactly a private situation. It’s not as simple as you think it is, Dan. Maybe some of us civilians who don’t come from military families have access to actual research that tells about some things you yourself were not aware of. Similarly, the women are actually put in more and more “forward” positions where they can be harmed or captured by the enemy. Hence the captures of women that have already occurred. These weren’t cases of having some far-back base stormed and the women kidnapped or something . Time was when women were not that near to the enemy on any regular basis, with the possible exception of nurses, and were therefore not in as much danger of capture as they already are now _prior_ to the implementation of the new “women in combat” order. It will only get worse from here.

      Moreover, as Mitchell also details, men who object to women in combat often have career problems if their opinions become known. This even when women allegedly weren’t in combat but when the ground was being prepared for it. That is relevant to you as a man, because you will need to think about all the ways in which your career will be contingent on your views’ not being known.

      There’s just a lot here that you are simply blowing off.

      1. Dan

        Why are you still talking about women being in combat roles. We put that aside comments ago. And it has nothing to do with the original article. On to the next one.

      2. I think Lydia is cueing to the fact that you’ve been trying to have it both ways. On the one hand you’ve said that we don’t know what we’re talking about, and these things aren’t really happening. But on the other hand, you’re saying, “Okay, maybe they are/will, but how does that affect men anyway?” I could be misreading, but that’s what it looks like. Maybe you just aren’t making your own position as clear as you could. Anyway, the answer to that second question is that it does indeed affect men and should factor into choosing the military as a career option.

  9. Dan

    Oh trust me yankeegirlgospel I totally agree with you in the fact of what the government has and is still trying to do with the military. I am fully aware of them trying to let women in mission-type jobs. I believe that law will be passed because of the direction America is going. But we have strayed from your original question. Do I agree with everything the Armed Forces are doing? Absolutely not! My parents are on the military soul-winning team and just this last Saturday the MPs threw the church team out of the housing area. But your original question was Advising Your SON To Join The Military. This question goes beyond like I said anything we have said about women, or gays, or so on. My answer is (and my father who served as well) is I would absolutely love it. If I have to use the restroom next to a girl then so be it. Just choose not to look. If I have to shower next to other dudes, then so be it. The media and book writers and so on will say and do anything to make a buck. Don’t believe everything you hear to be as great or as bad as they make it sound. I was just out with one of my best friends who just came back from Afghanistan and none of these facts you have brought up were anywhere in the forefront of his mind. He went on ACTUAL missions. He killed and saw his buddies killed. No girls were even present or allowed. No gays harassed him. In the end him, my father, me, and all other Christians who serve or served in the military are there for one thing…to serve and protect everything we hold dear in this still great country. We will have to agree to disagree. I love your site, I check it literally everyday but in this case I will say my opinion is in the end I would let my son join. No matter what else is going on. And guess what? What those people do for us allows us the freedom to even be arguing now. That is what I think when I think Military.

    1. Well, even though your friend didn’t experience those things, other men have. You can’t discount their experiences because your friend didn’t happen to. And surely you can see the legal realities that are unfolding here, regardless of “what the media says.” Our government is despotic, it is ruthless, and sooner or later, it _will_ get what it wants. It’s only a matter of time. If you see that and you’re prepared to plow your way through it anyway, godspeed and good luck. Just understand that I am concerned _for your benefit_ and for the benefit of other young men like you. The way things are headed, you might someday find yourself in one of these situations we’ve been discussing. It’s not fantasy or alarmism. Brian Mitchell wrote the book on this, and he wasn’t doing it for personal gain, I can assure you. He was hated and vilified for it. He’s not a mainstream media dude trying to make a buck, he reports what he saw with his own eyes.

      I’m on your side. Maybe you don’t see it, but I am. I want the best for you, and I would want the best for my virtual son.

    2. Also, glad to hear you love my site and check it every day. Thanks for your readership. I wouldn’t have guessed from your calling me ignorant and stupid. 😉 For my part, I apologize if my own initial reply came off sharply worded. I tend to bristle when I feel like I’ve been twitted/blown off. Maybe I should temper the “smackdown” impulse. (It’s funny, for a complementarian woman I dish out smackdowns with amusing frequency.) But maybe you understand a little better where I’m coming from now. I’m actually not upset with you, but for some reason you came across strongly upset with me.

      1. Dan

        Originally I was upset with you so my comment and name calling probably came out without me using my head. I do now think I understand where you come from and you know where I come from. We disagree. I’ll be serving whether or not I read this article. And you would advise against it whether or not I commented. No big deal. I still will continue coming back to this site as I think we can agree we both love Southern Gospel music and Jesus Christ. That’s the biggest issue to me so in that area I’m sure we’re ok with eachother. 🙂

    3. Lydia

      Dan, I’m sorry to seem contentious, but I really cannot agree with the statement that our mission in Afghanistan or in Iraq allows bloggers in
      America the freedom to blog. I realize that that kind of thing is a very common thing to say, but I just do not agree with it. Think about it literally: What, precisely, would have happened that would have shut down this blog if the U.S. had not continued its mission in Afghanistan for twelve years after 9/11? Or if we had not gotten involved in the second Iraq war? Don’t misunderstand me: I realize that whether to engage in this or that war are complex issues. I also supported the initial attack on Afghanistan. But no, I do not think that this blog would be shut down for lack of freedom if we had left Afghanistan long before the twelve-year mark. Not everything is World War II. It just isn’t. And in fact, our government has done a lot of really stupid things that continue to allow major threats internally from jihadis and terrorists and so forth, and it is completely unclear to me that continuing to risk our men’s lives in Afghanistan is making me one whit safer or is making blogging one whit more free.

      I realize that may be an offensive thing to you to say, but it may be a good thing for you to realize that there are *conservative* people who question those claims. It’s not just pacifist namby-pamby leftists who doubt the full accuracy of statements like “We’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here” and “The service of our men in all of these places is what gives us the freedom even to have this discussion.”

      1. Yeah, unfortunately I have to agree with Lydia on this one too. It goes back to what I said about how this isn’t the 1940s anymore. The purposes and goals of war as our government is waging it today aren’t entirely cut and dried. And like Lydia is pointing out, one can recognize that without being a flower-child pacifist. As I like to put it, I’m not a pacifist, I’m a pragmatist.

  10. Lydia

    A real irony is this: Both Canada and Great Britain also have troops in several of the same theaters where we do right now. But bloggers in both of those countries have very tenuous freedoms if they don’t toe the PC line. Various things that have been posted on this very blog might well attract the attention of British police, if YGG were English. We can hope that won’t happen in the U.S., but whether it does or not will have nothing to do with whether we keep our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq or withdraw them. It will have to do with how the courts and legislatures do or don’t continue to uphold the First Amendment. “Fighting them over there” isn’t doing beans for the cause of freedom in those other Western countries. I wonder what people say when discussing this in the UK: Do they say, “We’re fighting in Afghanistan so that you can have the freedom to criticize Muslims on blogs here at home”? If they know what they’re talking about, they don’t say that, because they don’t have that freedom!

    1. True. It really comes down to how repressive your home government is. England and Canada are still worse, but our government is yelling “Wait for me!” as it hurries down after them.

  11. Darren

    I like a lot of what you have to say on this blog, but I have to disagree with this post. You’d be surprised how much Christianity there is among the soldiers in war zones. I haven’t nor do I know anyone whose ever been, but I’ve also read a true account of someone whose been. You also have to consider where they are and what they’re doing. The fact is when you have to be up as quickly as they do and when you have limited space personal privacy is something that can come into question. The part about homosexuals is a bit of a concern, but there aren’t really that many in the military and you can meet homosexuals in every day life too, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t go out in public either.
    All in all these people are fighting for our countries (I’m Canadian) and making a sacrifice of time and possibly family. They are what have given us our freedom. Let us never forget them and always be thankful for them. Lest We Forget.

    1. I definitely have a great deal of respect for our military personnel (though I regard the inclusion of women and open homosexuals as a tragedy and a disgrace to our government, not something to be proud of). I also know that many are Christians, but I’m not sure how that relates to the arguments I made. If anything, the chilling effect on sharing one’s faith applies especially to them!

      And of course one encounters homosexuals in everyday life, but it’s one thing to bump into one at the grocery store… quite another for hetero- and homo-sexual men to be sharing living quarters with no privacy! (You can really see how irrelevant that parallel is when you consider the fact that I’m also bringing up the inclusion of women as a concern, and obviously men and women interact normally in regular contexts every day!) It’s the same reason why so many people are concerned about the recent Boy Scouts decision to allow gay scouts, and also why some have voiced concern over basketball player Jason Collins’ decision to come out. Now people say “Well, there are plenty of closeted homosexuals in these places already,” and that may be true, but I don’t think it helps matters to remove what restrictive standards we have.

      1. Darren

        You made it sound like Christians in the military are few and far between when actually there are a lot. I’m not sure if that was intentional or not. I do agree with you and your concerns about homosexuality but I think when you consider what the military does for us and the sacrifices they make that if a Christian wanted to he still should.
        What are your concerns with women in the military other than communal changing with no privacy?

      2. I did? I’d have to read the post again, but I didn’t intend to give that impression. I’ve actually heard that there’s a significant Christian presence.

        The reasons for why women should not be warriors outnumber the grains of the sand. Practically, it’s proven to be disastrous on many levels, besides directly violating God’s design for the sexes. (Imagine a family where the man stays at home and the woman goes off to war—there’s something fundamentally _wrong_ with that picture. You should feel it in your gut.) For the practical ramifications, Brian Mitchell’s _Women in the Military: Flirting With Disaster_ is a great resource. In addition, there have been articles written by female soldiers themselves, arguing that the physical demands are too great for women to bear and have resulted in severe physical damage. There are also the assault statistics I cited above.

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